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Dufite icyuho mu kumenya amateka bitewe n’amahitamo ya Politiki: Ikiganiro na Edouard Bamporiki

Yanditswe na Ferdinand Maniraguha
Kuya 29 Ugushyingo 2021 saa 10:40
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U Rwanda ni kimwe mu bihugu bifite amateka yigenjamo asharira, uko ameza angana bijya kungana n’ameza. Kugorana kwayo gukomera cyane iyo bigeze ku kuyasobanura no kuyamenya ku benegihugu kuko kuyumva kimwe bikigoranye.

Uko gusobanura amateka bibera ihurizo urubyiruko, rukisanga mu mayira abiri imbere y’abashaka kuyagoreka n’abayavuga uko ari.

Uko kunyuranya mu kwigisha amateka bitewe n’inyungu z’uyavuga nibyo byahagurikije Minisiteri y’Urubyiruko n’Umuco, itangiza ubukangurambaga bugamije kwigisha urubyiruko umuco, amateka n’indangagaciro nyarwanda, kugira mgo rumenye aho igihugu cyavuye, aho kiri n’aho kigana.

IGIHE yaganiriye n’Umunyamabanga wa Leta muri iyo Minisiteri, Bamporiki Edouard, agaruka ku bibazo bitandukanye bituma amateka y’u Rwanda avugwa mu buryo butandukanye n’umuti ngo amateka y’igihugu avugwe kimwe.

IGIHE: Hashize iminsi muri mu bukangurambaga bugamije kwigisha urubyiruko umuco, amateka n’indangagaciro nyarwanda, kuki mwahisemo urubyiruko?

Bamporiki: Urubyiruko ruri hagati y’abagenda n’abaza. Mu bihugu byose buriya urubyiruko ni ishusho y’ahazaza ha buri gihugu. Nk’igihugu rero natwe, abayobozi bacu bahari uyu munsi ni abayobozi bafite ibintu bakoze mu mateka y’u Rwanda; bazakorerwa mu ngata n’abo u Rwanda rwibarutse biciye mu miryango y’u Rwanda.

Abo rero ni urubyiruko ruri mu mashuri, mu mirimo, urubyiruko rufite imyaka y’ubuto rutari mu Rwanda mu myaka 30 ishize ariko ruhari uyu munsi, ruzaba runahari ejo nabo inyuma yabo hakaza urundi rubyiruko.

Urubyiruko ni icyiciro gikomeye cyane kigaragaza mu by’ukuri ubwema, ahazaza h’igihugu. […] Abo bato ubitaho kugira ngo bahagume ariko bafite igihugu mu biganza byabo.

IGIHE: Haba hari ikihe cyuho mu buryo Abanyarwanda bazi amateka, umuco n’indangagaciro zabo ku buryo bisaba ubukangurambaga bwihariye?

Nta n’ubwo ari mu rubyiruko gusa. Icyuho, mu kumenya amateka na cyo ubwacyo ni amateka. Dufite icyuho bitewe n’amahitamo ya politiki. Ubundi amateka abantu bayamenya kubera ko bayahererekanyije mu mvugo no mu nyandiko.

Twagize rero igice cy’ubukoloni bwamaze imyaka ijana butemerera abanyarwanda kuvuga u Rwanda n’amateka yabwo, butemerera Abanyarwanda kuvuga intekerezo, butemerera Abanyarwanda kuvuga u Rwanda; kurutarama no kurwimana.

Ubukoloni ahubwo bukazana iby’iwabo; ugasanga abanyarwanda bazi intekerezo z’Ababiligi n’iz’Abadage kurusha i Rwanda. Ugasanga u Rwanda rushingiye ku ntekerezo z’ubuyobozi buri muri ubwo bukoroni kurusha gushingira ku ntekerezo z’abayobozi bahari uwo munsi.

Ibyo rero ubundi birangira bibyaye urukuta ruri hagati y’abariho uwo munsi n’abakurambere babo bagiye. Aho abakurambere babo bakabaye bibona hakabonwa abakurambere b’ahandi.

Inkotanyi zibohora u Rwanda, zasenye urukuta rwari hagati yacu n’abakurambere bacu, rwatubuzaga kuvoma ku ntekerezo z’iwacu. Burya umuntu w’igihangange ugira umumaro igice kinini abikura iwabo.

Icyuho kirahari ariko kandi turifuza ko cyaba amateka, kikarangira kuko amateka ubu abahanga bacu byarabavunnye barayandika. Icyo tubabwira rero; kumenya u Rwanda ni ukujya no gushaka ibyo bitabo bigasomwa, ni ugushaka ya mateka tukayamenya none.

IGIHE: Hari uwakumva ubwo bukangurambaga agakeka ko mu mashuri amateka y’u Rwanda adahabwa umwanya uhagije

Icyo cyaba ikindi. Buriya hari amateka abantu biga nk’amateka, ariko u Rwanda n’amateka yarwo dushobora kubyiga mu muryango, ni inshingano z’umuryango. Dushobora kubyiga mu biganiro, umuntu mukuru wese akumva ko afite inshingano zo kugira icyo abwira uwo aruta bitewe n’ubushobozi afite.

Ubu turashimira Minisiteri y’Uburezi kuko ni yo yateye intambwe iva mu mateka y’abakoloni, iva mu bigwi by’ahandi itangira kuza mu bigwi byacu no mu rugendo rwacu.

Umunyamabanga wa Leta muri Minisiteri y'Urubyiruko n'Umuco, Bamporiki Edouard yavuze ko abakuru bakwiriye gusobanurira abato amateka y'u Rwanda nta kuyagoreka

IGIHE: Ko abakuru nabo batumva amateka kimwe, urubyiruko rwo ruzamenya ruhagarara he?

Ubundi amateka ni ukuri ntabwo ari amarangamutima. Amateka ntabwo ari ibyo njyewe mfata nkaremekanya, ni ukuri kw’ibyabaye, ni ukuri kw’inzira igihugu cyagenze. Ntabwo nzi umuntu uri hanze kubera ibikomere bye uzavuga ko u Rwanda rutahanzwe na Gihanga.

Ntabwo uzumva uzavuga ko abami batavutse mu Banyiginya bakagira imitekerereze yo kuvuga ngo ntabwo tuzishakamo tuzashaka mu yindi miryango kugira ngo u Rwanda rube urwa bose […] Uzajya gushakisha ibindi azaba atubeshyera.

Ntabwo ntekereza ko hari uzavuga ko Abanyarwanda batagize intwari zarwanye ku Rwanda, izaguye u Rwanda, zaduhaye intekerezo n’iriba tuvomamo ubugiri, tuvomamo imbaraga. Tuvomamo umutima w’u Rwanda rwanda.

IGIHE: Ariko birigaragaza, hari bamwe mu banyarwanda baba mu mahanga ubona bavuga amateka bitandukanye n’uburyo mu Rwanda yigishwa

Ni ingorane zo kutagira ikikuranga. Ni ukwitiranya icyakakubereye ikikuranga wowe nk’umunyarwanda ugashyira imbere ikitari cyo. Ni ukuvuga ngo umuntu wese ushobora kwiyumva ko ari uwo mu majyaruguru, akiyumva ko ari Umuhutu akumva nibyo binini, akiyumva ko ari Umututsi, azagira izo ngorane n’ibindi ntazabyumva.

Uzashyira ubunyarwanda imbere azasanga umwami w’u Rwanda yarwaniraga inyungu z’u Rwanda, yarwaniraga inyungu za rubanda, yari umurinzi wa rubanda, yari umurinzi w’u Rwanda n’umuco warwo.

Ntabwo wavuga amateka ngo uhere ku mage nk’utagira isoko, nk’utagira umurage, nk’utagira abakurambere b’intwari. Umuntu wese utekereza atyo najya kuvuga amateka azayahera ku bukoroni, azayahera kuri repubulika ya mbere n’iya kabiri, azahera mu 1959.

Abanyarwanda boye kubwira abana amateka bishingiye ku bikomere byabo, bishingiye ku byo bananiwe no ku byo bashoboye, amateka y’u Rwanda ntabwo ari ubuyobozi bw’umuntu runaka. Ni uruhurirane rw’imibereho y’abanyarwanda harimo ubuyobozi, harimo abaturage harimo n’u Rwanda. Iyo ubiteranyije uvuga amateka utareba ku ruhande.

Ababyeyi hirya no hino ku Isi aho badukurikira, muhe abana banyu amahirwe; umwana utarahemukiye u Rwanda, uwavutse wenda ku muntu wagize ingorane akisanga yahemukiye u Rwanda, uwo mwana nta byaha afite, afite u Rwanda.

N’uwo mubyeyi na we ubutwari bwe ni uko yavuga ati "ariko ruriya Rwanda nahemukiye nirumpane abana banjye babeho." Aho kugira ngo ukomeze kwirukanka ku isi noneho igihe uzaba utakiriho abana bajye batekereza nk’aho ari wowe warenganye kandi warahemutse.

Nta Munyarwanda ukwiye kugenda yunamye kandi u Rwanda rwarunamutse. Umutware w’u Rwanda yararwunamuye twese twunamuke, twumve ko u Rwanda ari urwa twese.

IGIHE: Hari urubyiruko rumaze iminsi rufatirwa mu bikorwa bibi birimo kwifatanya n’imitwe yitwaje intwaro cyangwa abahakana n’abapfobya Jenoside, byaba biterwa n’ubukene, ubumenyi buke?

Bishobora kuba byinshi ariko icya mbere ni ukutagira inzozi. Iyo nta nzozi ufite, ushobora gukora ikintu icyo ari cyo cyose. Ushobora kwifatikanya n’umuntu we ushaka guhemukira u Rwanda ngo abeho, umuntu afite inzozi mbi. Noneho nawe kuko nta nzozi nziza ugira nta na mbi ufite, ukajya kwifatikanya n’umunyanzozi mbi mugahemukira u Rwanda.

Abana b’Abanyarwanda, abari mu Rwanda n’abari mu mahanga, bagire inzozi zungura u Rwanda nabo bazaba bungukiyemo. Bizabarinda kujya gukora ibidafite umumaro no gusohoza inzozi zitari izabo.

IGIHE: Abamaze kwinjira muri izo nzozi mbi bo babigenze gute?

Ushobora kuba uyu munsi unkurikiye, ukavuga uti “ariko koko izi nzozi ndimo ni iz’uwampamagaye ntabwo ari izanjye.” Urabivamo ujye gutangira izawe. Ushobora no kurotera aho ukavuga ngo bino bintu mbivuyemo harya nakora iki?

IGIHE: Mukunze gushishikariza urubyiruko guhangana n’abagoreka amateka. Akenshi abo ni abantu b’abahanga mu ngeri zitandukanye babaye no muri ayo mateka, mukeka ko urubyiruko arirwo ntwaro nyayo yo guhangana nabo?

Ntabwo mbona umuhanga urwanya u Rwanda nyine ngo njye mwite umuhanga kuko Gihanga yazabimbaza. Umuhanga ni uvoma kwa Gihanga. Iyo uvuze umuhanga ubwo ni uw’i Rwanda avoma kwa Gihanga.

Hari abantu rero bafite ubumenyi ariko bashobora kubura ubwenge bw’umuryango, bw’umuco, bw’u Rwanda, bw’igihugu. Bariya bantu rero batuka u Rwanda bashobora kuba bafite ubumenyi gusa mu byo bize.

Abana bacu b’Abanyarwanda nta n’ubwo tubasaba guhangana, tubasaba kuvuga u Rwanda uko ruri, amateka yarwo uko ari, kuyamenya. Ntabwo azajya kubwira umuntu ngo ibyo bintu uri kuvuga si byo, utamubwira ngo ibiri byo ni ibi. N’iyo hataba umuntu n’umwe wataramanye u Rwanda, ni inshingano zacu kubwira abana u Rwanda kuko ejo azahura n’Abanyamerika bavuge Amerika yabo ariko na we azaseruka avuge u Rwanda rwe.

IGIHE: Mwavuze ko muri kunyura mu mashuri muri ubu bukangurambaga; abanza, ayisumbuye na za kaminuza; Ese abatari mu mashuri bo bizagenda gute?

U Rwanda twubaka ntabwo ari u Rwanda rw’abaminuje gusa, ni urw’Abanyarwanda bose. Turi kubashyiramo rero umuco wo kuvuga ngo runo rubyiruko ruri hanze ya kaminuza, nimurusange munafungure kaminuza rwinjiremo rwumve ko ari ahabo.

Tuzajya no mu y’inshuke no mu mashuri abanza. Ntabwo ari njyewe uzavuga amateka kuko turayasangiye, ni ay’igihugu ariko uriya mwana turamuha imbaraga na bwa bumenyi wenda atari afite tubizamure kugira ngo na we asange bagenzi be. Noneho ababyeyi bibuke ko kuba bakuru ari inshingano ibyo batazi mu itorero ry’umudugudu babiganireho noneho bajye gufasha abana.

Bamporiki yasabye urubyiruko kugira inzozi nziza kugira ngo hatazagira urufatirana akarujyana mu nzozi mbi zidahuye n'aho igihugu cyifuza

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